Interview With Pablo (@homerunDR) On Collecting/Dealing From Dominican Republic And Opening A Hobby Shop In 1999 With Pokemon Cards; Plus Clark's Expectations For Fanatics Fest, West Coast Card Show!
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<p>EPISODE 381 - Clark opens the show giving his initial thoughts before going to Fanatics Fest and the West Coast Card Show where he plans to assess if the hobby growth is evident at these big card shows (leading up to the National.) Plus he's got a couple of big transactions he's hoping to get done during this trip.</p><p>Then he welcomes Pablo (<a href="https://instagram.com/homerunDR" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><strong>@homerunDR on Instagram</strong></a>) who is a collector and dealer from the Dominican Republic. He shares his perspective on the hobby as well as his experiences (and challenges) collecting abroad. He also reflects on opening a hobby shop in his home country back in 1999...when Pokemon was about to take over the world.</p><p>--------------------------</p><p>CONNECT WITH US!</p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/cardstothemoon">@cardstothemoon</a> | <a href="https://instagram.com/fivecardguys">@fivecardguys</a> (Clark) | <a href="https://instagram.com/yntegritysportscards">@yntegritysportscards</a> (Hyung) | <a href="https://instagram.com/tradeyouatrecess">@tradeyouatrecess</a> (John)</p><p>Website: <a href="https://fivecardguys.com/podcast">https://fivecardguys.com/podcast</a></p><p>Daily Auctions (w/ affiliate links): <a href="https://fivecardguys.com/dailyauctions">https://fivecardguys.com/dailyauctions</a></p><p>If you have any questions about the hobby that you would like addressed, email us at hello@fivecardguys.com or DM us on Instagram at <a href="https://instagram.com/cardstothemoon">@cardstothemoon</a> or <a href="https://instagram.com/fivecardguys">@fivecardguys</a>.</p>
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You're listening to Cards to the Moon, a podcast about trading cards from both a collector and investor perspective. We hope you'll stick around for the ride as we take a deep dive into the state of the hobby. Share some hot takes, hopefully some useful advice and fun stories along the way. Hey guys, welcome back to Cards to the Moon. This is episode 381 and my name is Clark from 5cardsguys.com and you could also find me at Five Card Guys all spelled out all one word on IG, YouTube, Facebook and TikTok. Alright, it's another Friday episode and I'm doing a short solo intro because I need to get ready and start packing for the two card shows I'll be traveling to. In fact, by the time you hear this episode, I'll be most likely flying to LA to attend the West Coast Card show after spending a full day at Fanatics Fest the day before in New York City. So make sure to follow me on Instagram and YouTube where I'll be posting updates there. And I'll definitely have the usual recap podcast episode at some point when I get back to Toronto. And oh, by the time this airs, I hope a couple of big transactions I expect to take place at Fanatics Fest will have gone through smoothly and I can share that with you guys soon. But for this episode I also have a special guest interview with a collector from the Dominican Republic, and I hope you stick around for that talk because his hobby story is pretty amazing. And something I found out during that interview was that he started his own hobby shop back in 1999, I believe, when Pokemon was first starting to blow up. So there's obviously some deja vu going on with how the Pokemon card market is going today. And he's also a sports card dealer, so you'll hear about his journey, including when we met up at the Sport Card Expo here in Toronto. So stay tuned for that. But off the top quickly. As I mentioned, I'll be attending both Fanatics Fest and the West Coast Card show on the same weekend, and something I'll be looking out for is whether it's noticeable just how much the hobby seems to have grown, even over this past year alone. Now, I know Fanatics Fest is primarily a sports fan convention with a sports card element to it, but I was saying to a friend the other day, even if you look from year one to year two of Fanatics Fest, the sports card element of the show was noticeably larger and more prominent. And this year for year three, it'll be interesting to see if it takes another step up. Of course, the wildcard is the fact that there are a couple of other big shows taking place the same weekend, such as the aforementioned West Coast Card show and the Dallas Card show as well. So the question really is, has a hobby grown to such an extent that all three of these shows can sustain itself with enough collectors attending all of them? I'm pretty hopeful, personally speaking, and even checking out the footage of what the Javits center looks like right now in nyc, there are big posters of some sick looking sports cards car covering the glass walls of the convention center for the whole world to see. So yeah, I will definitely report back and we'll see if the World cup crowd plays a factor with of course Spain in the finals now. And as of this recording, the game between Argentina and England hasn't started yet. But no matter who wins, I'm betting on it being a very lively atmosphere in New York City. So wish me luck guys. I feel like I'm not gonna get enough sleep over the next few days, but yeah, maybe that's a good spot to end this intro. And like I promised, here now is the interview with Pablo, my good hobby friend from the Dominican Republic. Enjoy. Alright, we got another special guest on the pod today. He's actually been on the pod before when we did our Sport Card Expo recap after we set up at the show in Toronto and he was one of our loyal listeners who came to our booth to say hi and answer some questions for us. But I wanted him back on the pod because in one of our chats I found that he was from the Dominican Republic and he shared what the hobby scene was like back in doctor and just what it took for him to find inventory to bring back and all the work involved that I'm sure a lot of us here in Canada and, and in the US take for granted. So without further ado, Pablo, welcome again back to the podcast.
Thank you, thank you very much. It's a pleasure for me to be here, here, being here. No, I'm glad you're able to come on. And you were just speaking off air how I'm excited to hear about your experience because like I just mentioned, we take a lot of things for granted just being in close vicinity, do a lot of card shows and things like that. So we'll, we'll touch upon those things. But let's start from the beginning. Pablo, you know, when and how did you get into sports cards, especially from where you grew up?
Okay. Basically here it's very, very scarce product. I Remember when I was in school in the 70s, older than you guys. So I remember in the 70s there used to be vendors outside school that would sometimes bring carts and we buy them. Those are all long time gone. So I don't remember. I don't have any of that left. But I came back to cards again when I was in my honeymoon. Okay. 1990, when I got married. I went to my honeymoon with my wife. We went to Miami and we went to Disney, but I was in Miami and I went into a shop and saw baseball packs. 1990 tops. I remember. And they had individual cards also selling. That's when I understood or learned for the first time that every card had a different value for me. That was the first time I encountered that.
Right. Because I had never before been in contact with cards. There was no Internet in that time. We're talking about a time when everything was not as easy as it is today. For example, communication. Yes. So then I. That was the first encounter I had. Did you remember, you know, back in the 70s when you're growing up, like you said, there were some vendors. Do you even remember what kind of cards that they had or. Yeah, I remember there was basically what I remember was the basketball. The long cards from basketball.
Oh yeah, yeah. Yes. And some 1972 cards also. Okay. So do you remember which players you like to collect when you're younger? Basically I remembered as a little kid that the local baseball teams used to. To have contracts with big leagues and which the first team I always collected and I'm now I've been through time plan is the Dodgers. The Dodgers were. They had a contract with our. With the baseball team from the Dominican Winter League. And Lise the name of the local team. And I remember for example that the local Dodger players would come. I remember more further in my life. I remember when I was a bit older I saw playing here all her Scheisser pitched here.
Wow. Guerrero was from. It's Dominican. From an opposing team. He used to play here. So. So Senior. Yes. Right. No, not. Not Bloody G. Pedro. G. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Okay, a bit bit back. Okay. That he used to play here. I remember ner. I remember a lot of Dodger fans. So at the end I became a. A Dodger fan through time. Okay. I won't hold that against you being a Blue Jays fan. No. But now let me tell you something. Sure. We we this time. My. You know, my son is now living in Toronto. So I have. I like live fly more. And there's bloody Mirgazero junior There.
Right. So I really sympathize for the Blue Jays. I really, I really, really. For this World Series, I was biased. I said whoever wins, I'm okay. Yeah. It's a win, win scenario for you. Yes, yes. For me, yes. I, I, I, I've been in touch with, with now with Toronto. I've been to games every time I go. Yeah. So for me it's very nice. I've always liked Toronto and I liked it more now. Amazing, amazing. We always love people that come visit our beautiful city. And like I mentioned off the top, you came to the Sport Card Expo, so it was great to meet you in person. I'm wondering though, you know, just going back to your story, when you went to Miami on your honeymoon and you saw singles, you saw that they had value, where did you go from there?
Well, basically what I remember now through time is that I started learning about Beckett magazine right. In the 90s, I, I bought and then in that time we started having couriers, for example, for us, we have a PO box in Miami where they chip everything. So, and there's a Dominican courier that then company that brings it here. So we at the end pay double, double shipping because we have to pay shipping to Miami and shipping to the doctor. Right. So I remember receiving the monthly Beckon magazine like everybody else that wanted to see the up signs and whatever and read some of the articles and it was starting to, like I told you, the, the Internet was starting to boom up. So what I usually did was I buy, buy cards, whatever. I remember when Mike Piazza was a rookie, I don't remember what Bowman. Remember the year the Bowman came out? The first time Bowman came back?
Okay. I think it was 90 90s early when Piazza was a rookie. I remember buying that and saying, well, what a good investment. Mike Piazza, rookie, whatever. And from then on I sporadically bought. I, I like, I collected. I have lots of players from the 80s, nine, basically 90s, right. I had a whole bunch of Ken Griffey Jr. I remember the 89 upper deck also. Yeah, iconic. Yes, iconic. Yeah. And for example, through time that's what I've been doing. What I did was I would buy on Internet and open packs. I like to open packs.
Sure. That's everybody likes to open. We all love it. Yeah. And what I did was those cards, I would then every time I went to, to the States, I would sometimes sell on ebay and take them with me because shipping from here is very complicated too. So I prefer to do it that way. But in 1999, I decided to open a hobby store. Oh, wow. Okay. When I was opening the store, basically what I did was I'm going to sell the inventory I have as part of the store. Yeah. And when I started going to Miami or whatever to, to buy, I, I encountered what was the start of Pokemon.
Yeah. So everybody told me buy some Pokemon. That's, that's gonna be a huge success. And I did. And business started there. We used to have tournaments with, with DCI tournaments with Wizards of the coast in the, in, in those years. Wow. I had the stor to 2005. Okay. We did a lot of magic, a lot of Yu Gi. Oh. In that time. Yeah. Baseball was, has been always very slow here. It's, it's starting to, to grip now. But yeah, basically it was TCG in that time. Oh wow. Even in the late 90s, early 2000s.
Yes, yes. Everybody liked Pokemon. I remember the tops cards from Pokemon. The ones that weren't the playing cards were the collecting cards. Yeah. Everybody was crazy with Pokemon because it was just started in 1999 when it started with Wizards of the Coast. So from then, from 2005 on, I started working and I, I worked before I worked in a bank. First I left the bank and started with a business. Then a situation here with, with the government and whatever was hard. And the exchange rate went from 16% to 60% one day to another. So business went slow. All prices had to be tripled, whatever. And, and so, so I, I, I, I stop. I, I closed the business in that time. But I've always maintained myself in contact. Like I told you, I bought some cards and sell them in ebay, whatever. Then in 2000, I was looking at it in 2021, after the pandemic, I decided instead of just doing this on ebay or whatever, I want to. Let's see if I open an IG page. My Instagram page.
Yep. And start selling and showing cards there. Right. Nobody in the doctor was doing that in the Dominican Republic was doing that when I did that. So yeah, so I, I was incursioning or whatever, starting with, with a business there. From there up to now, I have over almost 6, 000 followers. So I've been. A friend of mine has a TG TCG store and he told me again that somebody told me start with Pokemon. Do Pokemon. Instead of baseball and Pokemon, you can do Pokemon. So I did Pokemon again and it's right now it's booming again.
Right. So yeah, no, I should, I should mention your Instagram pages. Omerundr. So it has that baseball reference. But you. You do deal with Pokemon and. Yeah, well, you're. I didn't know that you were into Pokemon. Pokemon since the very beginning, since 1999. So is it kind of like deja vu for you? Just the boom of the Pokemon cards now? It was. The transition was not hard to be back in Pokemon because I had some reference. I remember in 1999, there's a story with my daughter. She was like three or four years old. She was. Yeah, I was five years old. We had. We had an activity with our newspaper, local newspaper, and we were giving out booster packs as part of the people that the kids that went.
Yeah. And my daughter opened the pack and she got a Charizard. A Charizard coil from the 1999. It was. It was not the base, but the unlimited. Right. Yes. And I remember. And she always says, I gave her, like, 100 pesos. That was like two or for three dollars. And I always say, do you imagine I had kept all those cards up to now? Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I guess you got rid of all of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After. After I closed the business, I was a bit tight in money, so I had to basically sell everything. But I'm happy. So.
Yeah. So it has been good to me. Good. And now after the pandemic and 2021, like I told you, I, like, restarted or rebooted the business. And I had been to. We met at Expo. Yes. But I had been two years previous in Expo, so when I went this year, I found that it had grown a lot. I saw that the show had grown. It was like, I would say last. The first time I went two years ago, it was like. Was like half of the show that it was now. Yeah. Wow. So I was really impressed and I was very happy to be there.
Yeah. I'm glad you came up, because even in that show that you came up to, we got a lot of international visitors, you know, mostly from the US that also listen to the podcast. But it was. It just kind of really gave you some concrete examples of how the hobby is kind of bigger than just our local community. Right? Yes. And I. I've been to Nationals. I've been to. I went to the first Fanatics Fest in New York, and I've been traveling a bit, but two years or three years ago, I decided to. To slow down with shows because for me, it's very expensive.
Yeah. And to go to a show, I have to pay a plane ticket that it's not cheap, and hotel and don't say. The benefit of being in Toronto is that my, my son lives there, so I don't have to pay hotel. Right. So that, that was a plus for me in this trip. Yeah. But, but really I like to go into shows and it's a lot of fun meeting people. Yeah, that's the best part. I have met your team. Yeah. And also DC Was a great guy. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. No, and speak of D.C. i'm gonna meet him in the west coast card show in.
Yeah. In a few days. But no, that's amazing. And you know, I'm curious though, just going back to where you live right now in the Dominican. Like, what is the sports car scene like in the doctor right now? Okay, right now, like I told you, I started with in 2021. Every day more and more people are starting to open up or opening business, doing it through Instagram, especially Pokemon. Pokemon. You know, it's a, it's a great pool because it's international. It's really rapid and international and it's growing rapidly.
Yes. Baseball, it's a bit slower there. There are not a lot of hobby collectors per se, even with such a great baseball team. Yes, yes. But if people don't have, don't know the value of cards, for example, that's one thing. And what I've encountered with people, because nobody knows about grading or they starting to know about grading, they're starting to know about many things. Right. And the conditions of the card, what I've come into a lot is for example, to the country, it's, it's. I, I didn't buy in that. But in the early 90s, in the junk wax era, there are a lot of cards here of what people bring to me and say, me, I have this old cards like 20, 30 years old. And people say, wow, that there must be a lot of money because. And a modern car cost so much.
Yeah. When you tell them the truth, that it's really not, not, not that a. Not that how you call it, that that much value, the junk wax. And you tell them that if you go to the States, you can get a booster pack of 1990s for two or three dollars. Right. And, and even hall of Famers don't have that much of a value. So people have cards from the junk wax era and think because they're old, they're, they're, they're, they're a lot of value, which is not true. And you know, let's say educate people and telling them how does, how does it work, how to, to, to Guard them so they don't get damaged.
Right. For example, people say that with bent corners and whatever. But it's a 30 year old card, it should be in that condition. So it's sure you start, you have to start like educating people about, about the business. Yeah, no, for sure. And in some respects it's the same here because a lot of people that aren't too familiar with the sports card scene, they kind of make that assumption that oh, just because it's old it must be worth a lot more. And then I tell them, well, that Todd Van Poppel rookie card's not worth anything, you know, so especially like you were saying in the junk Roxera. So I'm curious then you know when you, you're mentioning, I remember at the Expo how you like to look for cards that you think you'll be able to sell back home in Dr. Which cards are popular right now and are there any ones you're looking for base?
Dominican baseball players usually sell okay. And, and, and, and modern day Ohtani for example. But people like I told you have a price range for cards. They don't understand yet that for an Otani rookie now you have to pay over a hundred dollars. Right. Or whatever. So you have to go slowly telling them how to play. And what I basically did to this last, the last time I've been there with Pokemon 2, the expensive cards or the bigger cards, what I did was take them to the show sell because locally there's not that much market for that. So, so what I did also I'm going to do an ad here for I went with Slapshark. I don't know if you know them.
They're Canadian. Yes. Yeah. Canadian. Yes. Very pleased with their service. Yeah. I left them a whole bunch of cards to sell and I think that's what I'm going to do regularly more because there's some cards that just get stuck and you want to, to move, move on inventory so, so they can have a great service. Yeah, that's the benefit of having consignors. Yes. Yeah. Just to move your cards. Yeah, for sure. And yeah, you know one of the things we do take for granted is that if we have a big card here, it's easier to find buyers who have that kind of budget in Canada and of course in the U.S. but yeah, like for countries like the Dominican and even abroad the budget is much different.
It's much different. Yeah. And like I told you, for example for us things are get a bit expensive because we have to pay twice shipping one To Miami and one to here. So. Yeah. And then taxes and whatever we have to pay. So at the end, it's, it's. It's hard to compete with the Internet also because people see a price in Internet and say, you're selling me a bit more. How can, how can that be? And so it's hard to. And now everybody has. Has access to Internet. So anybody can go in on Internet and buy. Yes, so. So that's a. That makes it a bit different. Difficult. But selling, selling singles is a bit easier.
Good. No, that's good. Well, in terms of selling singles or selling cars that are within collector's budget where you live, is it, is it still hard to find buyers locally? Like, are there local card shows you can go to or. No, there are no local car shows yet. That, that, that, that hasn't been. Everybody who sells is basically ag. Ig. Sorry, Instagram. And a lot of. There are about two or three, four TCG stores, but not sports stores. Oh, I see. So basically through Internet is that you can. You can buy through ign.
Okay. I personally always tell my friends that I won't open a store again. I had one and I won't open one again. It's very complicated. It's very complicated. I have a 9 to 5 job too, so. Right. So time is a factor as well. Yes, time is a factor. Do you remember when you opened that store? I know you mentioned that you had to close it down because the economy was going through a tough time, but how did you like that experience of opening and having a card store? To tell you the truth, I am more. I like more buying and selling than collecting at the end.
Okay. So when I started in 1999, like I told you what I did, I say all that baseball card inventory I had, that was with what I was going to open the store. So I started with that. And like I told you when my first trip to the States, there's Pokemon, whatever. And I started introducing that. Since the beginning, people were more tending through tcg. Pokemon. Right after Pokemon, we had. We had Magic the Gathering. It was very popular at that time. Yeah. Then we had Jugio and there's an. There was another game from Wizards of the coast that doesn't longer exist. I don't know if you knew. It was Dual Masters. It was very popular at once. We even used to have big tournaments. For example, we used to have. For Magic, we even had Dominican teams going to the Worlds.
Oh, wow. Paid by Wizards of the Coast. So we had. Yeah, we. We were very into that. And also I personally spoke with wizards and brought a judge here so we can certified. We certified like five or six players to be judges. So we had an official judge here also in the country. So it was, it was really a good business until whatever, the government, whatever. Right, right. No, that's just really interesting to me because I see kind of a steady evolution and just, you know, the card culture growing in, in the Dominican. Do you see that as well? Like over the time you've been in it for so long, do you see that the sports card or the TCG card culture is growing in your country?
Sports cards of what I used to. That in 1999. Yeah. There's more. Like I told you, we're educating people. Right. You hear people speaking about or asking or from people. How do you grade cards? Or do you do this? Yeah, really I don't do that here because you have to send to the States and when there's a lot of mailing involved, I prefer not to take that risk. I don't think it's, it's, it's worth the risk. Yeah. Personally, what I do is what I usually when I go to, to a shows, I take cards that I want to grade, leave them with someone who grades cards, and then they'll send it back to me. Yeah. I have to worry about one, shipping not going back and forth. Right. Which for me it's part of the, of the trouble of that.
Yeah. And, and you know what? Like, I'm not saying it's, it's harder here in Canada, but there are similarities because I feel like our American friends certainly take a lot for granted because when you have to cross borders, there's extra things you have to consider. But whether it's grading or whether it's buying or selling cards online. Yeah. I can totally empathize with that because even shipping, it's not twice as expensive as where you are, but it is an additional cost on top of what our American friends would be paying otherwise.
And, and, and like, like I tell you, for example, for me selling on ebay, for example, and what I, what I'm not, I'm going on trip. So I sell on ebay when I go to the States. Yeah. I start 10 days before do. Do auctions and whatever. And I get, I go to the mail, deposit and pay and whatever. And at the end it's easier. It. I. I don't know. And they criticize a lot of their, their, their, their mailing system, but it's 100 years ahead of ours for us, it's all relative. Yes. Yes, it is. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. So I only got a couple more questions, really, but I've been enjoying this conversation and I know you already know, and some of our loyal listeners already know that I'll be traveling to New York for Fanatics Fest, third year in a row and my first time at West Coast Card show in la. So it'll be a busy, busy weekend. But of course you've been sharing how you have traveled to shows before. So I'm wondering, Pablo, if you had any tips for me about traveling abroad to card shows away from home. What should I bring? What should I think about anything like that?
What I usually bring is everybody says comfortable shoes, you have to walk a lot. Yeah. What I like also is instead of backpacks, for example, because your back will hurt eventually, I usually have a small suitcase, a carry on. Right. With. With wheels, so it's easier to go around there. There's some of those that have a zipper on the end and you can just stick things and you don't have to open it completely. Yeah. What I usually have is a backpack on top of that, so I have more space to. To keep things.
Yeah. Why I always forget is slabs and, and sleeves. It's always good to have. Yeah, I usually usually always forget. I. You have. I have it here in my house full of sleeves and I always forget when I'm back. Right. And some previous knowledge of what you're looking for. For example, like I told you, this time in when I went to Expo, I was basically more into Pokemon than into sports. Right. I found a lot of cards, TCG cards. Like I told you, it was tripled size of what? Double the size of what I had seen two years in the previous.
Yes. But at the end, at the last day of the show, it was funny because I. I was leaving to take the taxi to go back to my son's house and I passed by a table that was in a corner and I saw a Roberto Clemente card and it called me and said, like, say hello, Hello, I'm here. And I bought that card. So you had to, you had to. Yeah, because it called my attention, so I bought it. But, but it's, it's. It's interesting. And like I tell you, be prepared. I. I heard DC tell you water, you usually have to walk half a show to. To go to a food stand. So it's good to have water with you. Basically, those are my tips.
Excellent. Great advice. Appreciate that. And I'm wondering too, when you buy cards in Terms of bringing everything over back home. Do you have boxes handy or how do you transport those cards? What I try. What I usually do to be on the safe side is I usually have it in my backpack and my portable suitcase. Yeah, I don't, I don't put things in my, my big suitcase because of whatever. Sure. And really if at the end if you, your the carts, if you lose cards, whatever, they don't occupy that much sealed product. Yes. You have to have more space for that.
Right. But usually customs in the States and whatever don't have trouble with that. But when you pass customs in Dr. Usually when they pass X rays they see the, the cards as money. They think it's money. So you have to open them and show them. This is this, this is that I see. So, so they know what it is. But it usually seems that the in X rays what they see is money. So want to see if it's true, if it's money or not. It's not. Right. See other things that a lot of people don't have to worry about or think about. But. But yeah. Last question. I think you already answered it. But are you traveling to any card shows any anytime in the near future or.
No, right now I have no one programmed. I do have a trip to Miami today precisely. I was searching if to see if there was anything on the dates I was going to Miami. Yeah. But I didn't see anything yet. But I might go to Expo again in November. I'm trying to decide. I hope so to see when I, when I go and see my son. I think I'll be in, in Toronto. I, I will be. I will be go with my wife in amazing in October and maybe go back in November. I hope you do because Will, I know you met him at the Expo and I we're, we're. I think we're pretty close to securing another table for the November show. So we'll be there representing the podcast and buying and selling cards. So if you are there, of course please say hello again and it'll be a pressure for me.
Yes, us too. Us too. We appreciate you listening. And I remember this is a funny story. I'll end off with that. You commented on one of our episodes on Spotify and we're just saying. I think I was just saying just looking at the data we have, most of our listeners are from the US and then Canada and I'm like oh, we have a small contingent from Dominican Republican. We're kind of laughing about that. And then you mentioned like oh, I'M one of those listeners. Yes, yes, yes. I remember it was like Spotify end of the year. That says you had X percent from the doctor.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. You would just set a comment and say, I'm one of them. And then I'm like, I really follow your program. So it's, it's very nice for me to hear every week. That's awesome. That's awesome. And yeah, I think we're joking. It's like, I think we, it's because we talk about Juan Soto a lot on our program and of course, Vladi Guerrero Jr. Is on our team too. So. Yes, the story of, of, of the Juan Soto card. You always do. It's very nice. Yeah. And how you started and how you started with. With Cards to the Moon. It's. Yeah, it's an interesting story also.
Five Card guys. Exactly. But yes, I know you're a dedicated, loyal listener, so I appreciate that. And Pablo, thanks for your time. Really appreciate it. I was literally looking, really looking forward to this and yeah, had a great chat. Anytime you need to be to talk with me, I'll be, I'll be open. So thank you. For me, it's a pleasure talking to you. It was a pleasure knowing you at Expo, so I think we can keep in touch. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Hey, thanks for listening to Cards to the Moon. We'd really appreciate you subscribing to our podcast, wherever you listen to your podcasts. And you can also connect with each of us on Instagram @5Card Guys. Or you can follow Hyung at Integrity Sportscards or John @TradeYoueccess. You can also check us out@5CardGuys.com thanks again and hope to connect soon.